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The Jersey Way
« on: September 18, 2008, 04:42:19 PM »
From Sen. Syvret's Blog:

The identity of “The Two States Members” who were able to so readily persuade Jersey Attorney General William Bailhache into pulling the prosecution against a man who had admitted the offences against him – under oath – in court?

Not only are both ‘active politicians’ – both are involved in elections – right now.

They are:
http://stuartsyvret.blogspot.com/2008/09/two-states-members.html

Offline Deputy Dawg

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Re: The Jersey Way
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2008, 05:25:51 PM »
Not only are both ‘active politicians’ – both are involved in elections – right now.

They are:
http://stuartsyvret.blogspot.com/2008/09/two-states-members.html

well that's them scuppered then.

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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2008, 07:12:05 PM »
well that's them scuppered then.

Only if enough voters read PJ and SSS's blog. Can't imagine the Rag publicising this one.

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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2008, 06:14:22 PM »
I was wrong - both politicians have come out fighting (mentioned elsewhere on PJ) and the rag carried the story prominently in first few pages on Friday

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Re: The Jersey Way
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2008, 06:52:12 AM »
Can't stand the woman, will not be voting for her.
You can't get good chinese takeout in China and cuban cigars are rationed in Cuba. That's all you need to know about communism

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Re: The Jersey Way
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2008, 02:14:45 AM »
I always thought she was a good scrutiniser.

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« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2008, 02:18:23 AM »
We gave the following Statement to the Assembly on Friday.

Personal Statement by Deputy Sarah Ferguson and the Deputy of St Peter.

An article has appeared in the Jersey Evening Post today and we feel that Members are entitled to an explanation.

In January this year we became aware that a case was to be brought against a local businessman by the States of Jersey Police.  The proposed charge was under Article 4 of the Computer Misuse (Jersey) Law 1995. The businessman is a constituent of the Deputy of St Peter.

The businessman had lodged an official complaint against a police officer in 2007.  As is normal practice, investigation of this complaint was suspended whilst the Court proceedings took their course.

My parishioner had expressed her concerns about the conduct of the case against her brother, the local businessman.  It was our considered opinion that there was a significant risk of a major miscarriage of justice and we could not just stand by.

We considered that the appropriate course was to discuss the matter with the person in charge, who is the Attorney General.  As former centeniers, we are aware that such concerns should be discussed with the Attorney General.  As politicians we are aware that the scope for a politician to represent a constituent in relation to the criminal process is very limited.  The decisions are a matter for the prosecution and the Court.

Together with the Deputy of St Peter, I expressed my concerns to the Attorney General.  The Attorney General decided to review the file and subsequently decided that the prosecution should be brought.  The gentleman concerned was charged soon afterwards.

It would be inappropriate to make any further comments.

We consider that it is part of our role as politicians to investigate and question any matter where we consider that our constituents face injustice and we make no apologies for this.  It would be a dereliction of our duty as elected representatives if we did not question and investigate. 


Sarah Ferguson and Collin Egre
20 September 2008


If anyone has any questions relevant to the elections then please post them to my board.  I will notify you when my own site is up and running.


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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2008, 02:45:38 AM »
Hi Sarah

Welcome to Planet Jersey!  With regard to any questions, I think the majority of us are waiting to see all manifestos at the moment.

But don't worry, people will have questions for you I can guarantee that!

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Re: The Jersey Way
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2008, 03:02:31 AM »
All the best in the hustings Sarah, you have my vote already.

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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2008, 03:11:37 AM »
I always thought she was a good scrutiniser.

Whenever I have listened to recordings of questions without notice she certainly tries to take no prisoners!

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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2008, 06:05:18 AM »
"there was a significant risk of a major miscarriage of justice ".

Sorry Fergie, it doesn't wash. 

The issue of a miscarriage of justice is one to be dealt with by the court and the court of appeal - NOT polititians.  Why?  It is a judicial matter and not a political one.

If you do not consider it to be political interference in the justice system answer this.   What ordinary member of the public can approach the AG directly to discuss whether or not charges should be bought?

We would not even get an audience with him let alone convince him to re-visit the file!  You clearly used - and abused - your political position to acheive your aim on a matter for which you had no legal cause.

If there was a case to answer (and given that your friend - oops sorry, your 'constituent', admitted to an offence in Court it certainly seems prima facie to me) then it is for the court to decide if an abuse of process or other miscarriage would ensue.  Failing that it is for the Court of Appeal to look at it and decide.  Or don't you have faith in Jersey Courts? (interesting that one...)

If you are so confident that you did the right thing, please provide examples of similar instances, in any democratic jurisdiction, of a politician deliberately approaching the prosecuting authorities, once it is known that charges are to be brought, and seeking to have a review.  I've have never heard of it.

Occasionally an MP will fight for a constituent AFTER all the appeals have failed but never before the judicial process has been exhausted.  In this case you prevented it from commencing let alone allowed it to be exhausted.

You and your colleague have overstepped the mark, acted entirely inappropriately and possibly even illegally.

It is odd how the AG suddenly believed that the case was worth a punt AFTER Lenny Harper had threatened to go public about your interference.  Now, be reasonable, there either was a case to go to court or there wasn't.  He can't have it both ways.

I do not wish you the best in the hustings or the elections.  You will no doubt get what you deserve.  I am just gald that I can play a part in that.  Egre will have to be dealt with by the parish - unfortunately.

ps  IF you are so keen on justice being done in Jersey, try helping the abuse victims.  They don't believe it will happen because of (guess what) political interference. 

But then you know about that sort of thing don't you.

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Re: The Jersey Way
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2008, 06:13:15 AM »
Res Nullius

Exactly. Couldn’t have put it better.

Stuart.

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Re: The Jersey Way
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2008, 06:24:31 AM »
You are in a minority, I will never vote for Stuart Syvret again from his behavior this year.

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« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2008, 06:40:50 AM »
Can we tone it down please, this is supposed to be debate not a slanging match.

Thanks

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Re: The Jersey Way
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2008, 06:45:44 AM »
I fully agree with Res Nullius.

This story stinks.